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January 2021

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@Falcon Kirtaran: If you scroll to the bottom of the "Rendering on the Web" article, you can see that it says "Except as otherwise noted, the content of this page is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License, and code samples are licensed under the Apache 2.0 License." I included a CC-BY footer in the article providing attribution. Looking at the Google Developers Site Policies, it seems that they want a footer reading "Portions of this page are modifications based on work created and shared by Google and used according to terms described in the Creative Commons 4.0 Attribution License." Would it be okay to restore the content from "Rendering on the Web" and edit the footer text? —Enervation (talk) 14:24, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think you can do that in this case, maybe. There's a guide at Help:Adding open license text to Wikipedia with specific instructions for how to attribute the text, as long as it is in fact just CC-BY 4.0 without any further restrictions. But Google's instructions at [2] give me pause, since this might count as a further restriction, and I'm not really comfortable saying the license is compatible given any added terms. FalconK (talk) 02:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think Google's attribution guidelines are a very standard part of CC-BY 4.0. I'll go ahead and restore the text. —Enervation (talk) 03:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of "Tirukkural" in the template

Hi. I added Tirukkural in "Effective altruism" since the work discusses those ethics falling under it. If this shouldn't be included in it, then will remove the navbox, too, from the respective article (which I just added). Thanks. Rasnaboy (talk) 02:30, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rasnaboy: Oh wow that's really interesting! However, I'm not able to find any articles online associating Kural with effective altruism, so I don't think it should be part of the infobox, which lists texts that are directly relevant to effective altruism. Perhaps we can add {{WikiProject Effective Altruism}} to the talk page of Kural, however, so that the article becomes part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Effective Altruism. Also, if you'd like, maybe you can write a post on the Effective Altruism Forum about Kural and its similarities to effective altruism. —Enervation (talk) 02:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info. Sure, will check out the forum. Kural is an ancient Indian work on an individual's ethics. Will try to find sources. Will remove the navbox for now but keep the Wikiproject as you suggested. Thanks again. Have a nice day. Rasnaboy (talk) 03:21, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of The Alignment Problem

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Center for AI Safety moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Center for AI Safety, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, to be safe. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onel5969: I've added additional sources which should be reliable, independent, and include significant coverage:

Roose, Kevin (2023-05-30). "A.I. Poses 'Risk of Extinction,' Industry Leaders Warn". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2023-06-03.
"Artificial intelligence warning over human extinction – all you need to know". The Independent. 2023-05-31. Retrieved 2023-06-03.
Lomas, Natasha (2023-05-30). "OpenAI's Altman and other AI giants back warning of advanced AI as 'extinction' risk". TechCrunch. Retrieved 2023-06-03.
Castleman, Terry (2023-05-31). "Prominent AI leaders warn of 'risk of extinction' from new technology". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 2023-06-03.

I think we should be able to move this to mainspace now, but let me know if you have any objections. Enervation (talk) 18:23, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Hendrycks moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Dan Hendrycks, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, to be safe. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 09:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onel5969: Thanks for bringing this into my attention. I believe the article should meet the notability criteria for academics, however. One criteria listed in the guideline (which is sufficient for notability) is as follows: "The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources. [...] The most typical way of satisfying Criterion 1 is to show that the academic has been an author of highly cited academic work – either several extremely highly cited scholarly publications or a substantial number of scholarly publications with significant citation rates." The first three articles listed in the section "Selected publications" have been widely cited: according to Google Scholar, "Gaussian Error Linear Units" (2016) has received 5531 citations, "Benchmarking Neural Network Robustness to Common Corruptions and Perturbations" (2019) received 2174, and "A Baseline for Detecting Misclassified and Out-of-Distribution Examples in Neural Networks" (2017) received 2146. I think this criterion for notability should be fulfilled, but please let me know if you disagree. —Enervation (talk) 00:20, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're absolutely correct, I wasn't looking at him from an academic standpoint. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:24, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for moving the page back to the mainspace. —Enervation (talk) 01:10, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Christiano (researcher)

Hi! Thank you for your work on Paul Christiano (researcher). Are there any more solid sources to support the article? I’m not sure the article currently demonstrates that he meets WP:GNG. Best, Thriley (talk) 16:11, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think the Business Insider and Fortune article count as reliable and significant coverage of Paul Christiano. Additionally, he should meet the criteria in Wikipedia:Notability (academics) given his research impact (see Google Scholar). As an example, he was first author of the seminal work on reinforcement learning from human feedback, which is highly significant for current developments in large language models. Enervation (talk) 06:11, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are right. I just nominated the article for Did You Know. Thriley (talk) 15:36, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Center for AI Safety for deletion

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Draft:Dario Amodei

Hi, I just created a draft for Dario Amodei. Thought you would be interested! Best, Thriley (talk) 15:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a reasonable start! I think it would be good to add some of his top papers from Google Scholar as well. I'm not sure that the MIT Tech Review piece says much about Dario himself – it's mostly about OpenAI. Enervation (talk) 06:51, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Paul Christiano (researcher)

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Nomination of Dan Hendrycks for deletion

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Citations that do not support what they are cited for

Hi Enervation, when citing sources, please make sure they actually support the statement that you are citing them for. That was not the case in your edit here (the January date appears nowhere in the TechCrunch article you cited, and per the preceding discussion on the talk page, it looks like there may actually be no reliable published source supporting it).

It's important that Wikipedia readers and fellow editors can rely on the relation between text and source. Edits that mislead them about this, whether by sloppiness or deliberately, are highly problematic.

Regards, HaeB (talk) 16:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for observing this regarding the line "In January 2023, EleutherAI formally incorporated as a non-profit research institute". It looks like the TechCrunch reference I added supported the claim "EleutherAI formally incorporated as a non-profit research institute" but not the specific date, so I should have kept the ^{[citation needed]} tag for the date. I'm sorry for the oversight here. Enervation (talk) 19:14, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this response, appreciate your understanding. (Per the aforementioned talk page discussion, this particular piece of information about the time of incorporation seems to be regarded as important by some people familiar with the subject, so it's not a minor issue.) Regards, HaeB (talk) 19:48, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Watsonx

Hi. Can you please casually review Draft:Watsonx and help me make it more specific? VectorVoyager (talk) 18:29, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I don't have time do this. You can try integrating additional reliable sources like this Reuters article perhaps. Enervation (talk) 00:51, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Paul Christiano (researcher) for deletion

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Thanks for the suggestion, I didn't realize that there were bots checking the format of AfD comments. Enervation (talk) 05:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Enervation! I noticed that User:Sandizer is no more (well, not at Wikipedia although I hope he continues to be alive IRL), which saddens me. He was a helpful ally and provided moral support to me in an entirely different domain than AI. I noticed your discussion with him about Paul Christiano when I went to visit his talk page today. Sorry if I mangled that Wikilink but you get the general idea, I hope. After reading that, I moseyed on over here, and was pleased to see that you were vindicated! That is, the subject of the BLP to which you "significantly contributed" yet was considered for deletion has since been appointed/hired to a mid- to high-level role at NIST! If you ever see Sandizer around WP or IRL, and if you remember, please let him know that I appreciated his support versus the Wikipedia authorities, very much!--FeralOink (talk) 01:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the note here – I'm definitely a fan of Sandizer's contributions :) Enervation (talk) 05:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undisclosed Interests?

Thanks your contributions on many AI related articles. Per COI guidance; I'd like to know if you might have any undisclosed interests relating to the AI space or any articles that you have edited? Do you have any personal connection to any of the organisations of people you have written about? Thanks again. NO698956 (talk) 02:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for checking in. I don't have a COI with regard to any articles I edit. Enervation (talk) 00:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Cicero (artificial intelligence)

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Your draft article, Draft:Cicero (artificial intelligence)

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Wikiproject

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to Two Wolves, would you be interested in a wikiproject on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 18:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kowal2701 Going forward, I probably won't contribute significantly to other articles related to oral tradition, sorry. Enervation (talk) 21:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries Kowal2701 (talk) 06:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]